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this week, congress returns to work in the blooming fights over foreign and domestic aid is the house prepares to take up a contentious aid package, combining aid to ukraine in its war with russia, with aid to israel as its war against hamas it's the six month mark. and israel says it is reducing its military presence in southern gaza amid growing calls for a cease-fire. now echoed by president biden and dozens of house democrats. and here at home, the white house is preparing to ask congress for federal dollars to repair the collapsed key bridge in baltimore. as with ukraine, heart rate republicans have put conditions on that age, as well. adding yet another challenge for house speaker mike johnson,

as he tries to avoid immunity from his shrinking majority. is there a path forward now that congress is back? florida congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz joins me in a minute with her take. later, a new documentary tracks the rise of cancel culture in america. i talked to a film's producer about what the rise means for our culture and first free speech. i had of its premiere tonight on msnbc. we've got another big politics nation show tonight. let's get started. from the, congresswoman debbie wasserman-scholz, democrat from florida. congresswoman, thank you for being with us again. we appreciate you joining us.

>> thank you. >> we appreciate you joining us tonight ahead of the house reconvening this week. lawmakers are expected to reengage on an aid package for ukraine in its war with russia, combined with aid to israel in its war against hamas, which we will get into in a moment. now there is the president pending request for federal dollars to build the key bridge in baltimore. are you expecting progress to be made on these various aid fights? >> i certainly hope so and thanks for having me once again. although the indecisiveness and the fear of losing his job that speaker johnson has engaged in over months now has left ukraine twisting in the wind and really allowed putin to gain more strength. ukraine is significantly weekend and obviously that threatens the

national security interests of the united states, our allies, and it's absolutely critical that we take up that national security package and remember that it passed with 70 votes. what passes without much bipartisan support in congress these days? we have to make sure whether it's israel, certainly needs assistance in trying to make sure that they can bring the threat of hamas to an end or ukraine so that we do not allow putin to run over democracy there. and keep going. taiwan, who faces threats from china. it's critical that we talk about that as well as resource interest that we have in making sure that the largest impact in our economy in baltimore swiftly gets federal funding. >> today marks the six-month anniversary of the october 7th attacks by hamas that killed 1200 israelis with more than 250 israelis taken hostage.

more than 130 of whom still remain captive. israel says on the other side, gaza's health ministry says more than 33,000 people have been killed by israel's retaliation. the majority being women and children. this weekend, the israeli military says it has reduced the number of ground troops in the southern gaza strip. after completing its operation there. where do we go from here, congresswoman? >> thank you so much for recounting how this all started. a worldwide terrorist organization. they came in and slaughtered 1200 israelis. 250 hostages. more than 130 are still there, captive. hamas is really essentially

losing this war. this is not a war between two countries that follow the rules of engagement. hamas needs to assess the deal that's been negotiated, release the hostages, cease fighting and cease their being -bent on destroying israel and killing jewish people. that will bring about an end to all of this violence, which has been horrific. >> of course, again, negotiations have started but again, women and children in gaza, not necessarily hamas. most, if not all, are not members of hamas. let's turn now to the crisis in haiti. you are a congresswoman from florida. the u.s. government is expected to stop chartering flights from the caribbean nation this friday. several u.s. airlines have already suspended service to

haiti, or are expected to do so in response to the deteriorating situation in the country, where gangs have seized control of the capital and much of its infrastructure including the airport. last month, you called on house republicans to release some $40 million in federal aid to haiti, citing the potential for mass haitian migration to the u.s., particularly more in your home state of florida. the largest population of haitians in the country. what is the impact if the aid does not materialize? >> that aid is critical. as a member of congress that represents a large haitian population myself, i'm on the ground here with my constituents every day who are desperate to make sure that haiti's stability is restored. i'm thankful to president biden, who has engaged with other caribbean nations to try to make sure that they can bring some stability there and get to a point where there is a

transition or government and and the gang violence that has really nearly taken over the entire country. that's absolutely critical. without those resources, establishing that stability is going to be a huge obstacle. we are in the western hemisphere and we have to make sure that we run these countries together with obviously an interest in stability there along with the united states and helping make sure that the gender-based and sexual violence that is taking place, the rampant murders that are being committed by gangs, that cannot continue. and i'm thankful that president biden has -- obviously it's not a possibility of return giving the violence that they face there and the danger they face. >> before you go, in november, floridians will vote up or down

on the initiative to enshrine abortion rights into the state constitution. after just last week, the florida supreme court unveiled the state's 15 week abortion ban, which takes effect may 1st. the referendum will need 60% support to pass. what do you expect to happen, congresswoman? >> i think the breath of support that the petition gathering process gained. over 1 million voters in florida signed the petition to enshrine abortion rights in our constitution and have an opportunity to vote on that including 20% for the signatories who were republicans. i think voters will go to the polls, vote yes on amendment four, restore the constitutional right that they had prior to this horrific decision last monday by the state supreme court appointed by ron desantis. and ensure that we have a pro- reproductive freedom vote and pass that amendment. elect pro-reproductive freedom candidates all across the

state. that's where floridians are on the issue. and it's essential that we do that. >> all right. thank you, congresswoman debbie wasserman-schultz for being with us. let's bring in our political panel, former congresswoman donna edwards from maryland and former republican congressman carlos caraballo from florida. they are both msnbc political analysts. let me start with this, carlos. the house returns from their break on tuesday. speaker mike johnson is facing a motion to vacate, which marjorie taylor greene filed just after the house approved a funding bill last month to keep the government open. how do you see this playing out? do republicans want to go through another leadership battle? >> well, republicans do not

want to go through another leadership battle. not most of them, including some of the eight who voted to oust kevin mccarthy. truthfully a lot of democrats don't want to go through another fiasco. another embarrassment when the house is leaderless for two or three weeks. i do think even if marjorie taylor greene moves forward with this, i don't think it will get very far. mike johnson has learned what every other speaker has shown here. at least republican speakers. in order to make the house a stable place that can pass big pieces of legislation, bipartisan cooperation is needed. you will see mike johnson leaning on democrats to get the national security passage past. it will likely get more democratic votes than republican votes. but that's the only way for the house to move forward. the speaker has realized. he can only count on bipartisan majorities for these kinds of must pass bills. >> former president trump has been pushing the limits of the gag order on his hush money

case, posting multiple times this weekend about judge merchant. in one post, he even claimed he would gladly go to jail and claimed he was -- wait for it, a modern-day nelson mandela. trump was very effective using these trials to play the victim during the republican primaries. do you think this tactic will work in the general election? >> i don't. i actually think enough people have heard enough of trump and his chaos and his exaggeration. this again, identifying himself as a victim, or as a hero like nelson mandela is like really beyond the pale. i think voters are on to donald trump. and the question that i think for democrats has to be how many independence and reasonable republicans combined with democrats can you pull together to make sure that

donald trump does not see the light of day in the white house , and ends up facing his day, or his days, multiple days, in a courtroom for some accountability. i mean, it really is -- he has really gone beyond the pale in terms of outrageous. and frankly, is going to lead republicans down another path of a string of defeats. >> trump says his campaign reach $50 million at a fundraiser last night. they're trying to close the gap with biden and the dnc, which brought in $90 million last month. congressman caraballo, what is your assessment of trump's fundraising efforts? >> first, we'll have to see if others dollars are accounted for. this wouldn't be the first time the trump campaign exaggerated.

we'll see about that. without question right now, democrats have a big fundraising advantage. one of the big problems trump as is that even though he did not have a very competitive primary, he was very aggressive with nikki haley with her donors. she had a lot of big donors in her corner. a lot of those people still don't feel comfortable getting behind donald trump. you can see perhaps some of those donors taking a pass on the presidential race and helping congressional republicans instead because there are a lot of people who are still turned off by donald trump and he needs these big fundraisers if he's going to catch up with the biden campaign. we all know that money is a big deal in politics. a lot of times, it's the number one predictor of which campaign is successful, which one is best funded. >> was seven months until the election, republicans are stepping up their efforts to change the rules in their favor. yesterday spoke to the nebraska dnc chair about the gop push to make nebraska out a win or take allstate. take a listen to this. >> trump is calling now

senators in our state, bullying them, telling them their political career will be over unless they change this. in the end, they do not have the votes. if they tried to do something that we have not even thought of yet, that is clearly may be in the cards, but we are very confident in the systems that are in place right now. >> another question about biden getting on the ballot in ohio. a congressman asking howard democrats should be about these efforts and how should they respond? >> well, you know, this is a long line of republican intends to change the rules, change the rules for voting, change the rules for qualifying. in this case in ohio, in 2016, both republicans and democrats were in the same position, where their nominating conventions happened after the posted deadline. what they did was they created a special role in ohio that allowed the nominated conventions to go forward. they need to follow the same

path here so that democrats obviously would then have a chance to get their nominee. if not, then i think democrats have to come up with -- will have to come up with a novel strategy to identify their nominee so that it's qualified for the ohio ballot. i mean, there are a lot of rules, different states of governing ballot access. i just think republicans these days are also trying to figure out other ways that -- not just about the candidates. but voters not being qualified, changing the rules midstream, giving himself an advantage that they don't seem to be able to get by allowing people to cast their votes freely and fairly. >> carlos, i have to ask you quickly, do you think republicans are going too far trying to do things like

keeping biden off the ballot in ohio? >> definitely. i mean, this is one of the issues that turns swing voters away from donald trump. his willingness to change the rules, to break the rules, to ignore the rules. we saw that in the wake of the 2020 election. this is one of the issues pushing a lot of the suburban swing voters. a lot of college-educated voters to democrats. and in a tight race, the types of races we've seen in recent years could make all the difference. >> all right. >> thank you both for being here tonight. congressman carlos cabello and congresswoman -- former congress people both. donna edmonds. thank you growth for being with us. coming up, the work here remains unfinished. the message from his family after the mark 56 years since his assassination.

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nationalism, reclaiming true faith, and re-founding democracy. jim, thank you for coming on tonight. we appreciate it. in the last month, we've seen donald trump repeatedly invoke christianity and matters of faith either as a defense from his for his legal troubles or as a way to attack president biden. he continues to wield great support from white evangelicals and christian nationalists. your book, the false white gospel, causing americans to reject white christian nationalism. would you call it a threat to the nation? is that truck growing because of donald trump in your judgment? >> brother, it's good to see you, good to see you. there is a moment here, and urgent moment in this nation

where we have to make some choices. it is a test of democracy as you said eloquently over and over again. it's also a test of faith. remember when donald trump held the bible upset and in front of the church across from the white house? he was uncomfortable with it. he did not know what was in it. now he is, find the bible, even posting pictures of himself next to jesus at a table in the courtroom saying i'm being invited -- indicted for you. a false messiah. not time to wait for him to go lower and lower because there is no low bar there. it's time for us as pastors, reverends, as christians to call him out. call out bad faith. this is bad theology, bad religion. in fact, you and i know it's idolatry. let's call it donald trump for idolatry. false worship. in the bible says bless the usa on the cover.

that's idolatry and i will use another word. heresy. these are contrary to the teachings of jesus. i want to go back to the bible, go back to jesus. the only way to go back is not to be distracted by him but they had we go back to what the bible really says, and say, do we believe that or not? in fact, it's a time when we can really make faith a factor in the selection, which could be a decisive moment for us. >> last night, donald trump linked himself with jesus christ after a holy week court appearance for his manhattan cash money case. posting on truth social, suggesting that like jesus, he's been unfairly persecuted by various criminal and civil cases against him. of course, it is not the first time that he and his supporters have likened him to christ. it follows him promoting a trumpet branded $60 version of the bible last month. you wrote an op-ed that a loan could literally land tromped in

hell. can you expand upon that? >> what i'm feeling as i hunger in the country for a different kind of faith because trump is in fact using and abusing and manipulating the bible. the word of god. that cannot be allowed to stand. he is in fact comparing himself. he is a false messiah to jesus. we have to stand and say no, this is a time when let's talk about what did jesus mean? what did he say? you will know the truth and the truth will make you free. the opposite of truth is not just lies like donald trump created his captivity. truth and freedom are indivisible. how do we proclaim truth and how do we understand that this is a test of our faith going forward? i want him to bring the bible up. let's talk about what the bible

really says. that's why we're going to go with let's not let him control the bible. donald trump waited in the waters bigger than him, larger than. sing never ask god for forgiveness. now might be the time, donald, to ask god for forgiveness. >> the trump campaign and several conservative politicians criticize the president's declaration of march 31st, which fell on easter sunday this year, as transgender day of visibility, which the president has observed all three years of his presidency so far. following the controversy, donald trump that last week, that november 5th, election day, would become christian visibility day if he is elected president. what do you make of trump linking election day, in which he expects to be victorious, with the idea that the visibility of christians is somehow in peril, because transgender americans were

recognized? >> donald trump has created this trajectory of politics. fear leading to hates, leading to violence. he makes people into others. our neighbors and to others. trans people, everyone into others. our neighbors. jesus said to love our neighbor as ourselves and even love our enemies. when you raise the issue of white christian nationalism, the name spells a problem. the most inclusive, welcoming, inviting message in the world and she makes it white. christian, he says. but it's not love and service and sacrifice, it is control, domination. he goes back to what you and i now of the old dominion is theology. it's not new. it is an old heresy. and it nationalist. i mean, really, the great

commission, jesus calls us, to go into all nations and make disciples in every nation. and he says nationalist, this is a false religion. and bad religion. the answer to bad religion, i don't think is no religion. better faith, good faith. had we not let the bad religion in and come back with what it really means? what i'm trying to do is revive and refresh and review a lot of old classic iconic biblical texts that really take us back to what jesus said. i want to let jesus do the talking here. and when you do that, donald trump is going to be in serious, serious trouble. >> and avon on the journey a long time. i know you in school with our good social scientist and friend dwight mckeith. but where we are now at this time, this book is very important. i want to ask you about a

research poll released last month that found eight out of 10 american adults think that religion's role in our national life is actually shrinking. is a high and number as ever reported to hold this view. and it's that five out of 10 adults say that the loss of influence is a bad thing for the country. how can it be that religion is both losing its influence, but it seems so central to our politics right now? >> well, as dr. king, you spoke of in the show, reminded of the churches, we are not supposed to be the master of the state, nor the servant of the state but the conscience of the state. many of my students in georgetown are not sure what they believe. the check the box none of the above for their religious affiliation. and i love those, because they're not secular. they believe in god or something bigger than

themselves. they're looking for courage and authenticity. and third, and new generation. if people of faith are not coming down on the side of the values we say we believe in, then they will never come back to church again. so i'm concerned about them. this is a moment where eddie only wrote the forward in the book, says that everything is collapsing, and everything is possible at the same time. reverend, you know it is a kairos time. that's the bill of emotion. not to time, but it changes time, it changes everything. this election season is so much for the republican, democrat, left or right. it's a battle for the soul of the nation. every nation has its better angels and its worst demons. dr. king articulated our better angels. i won't say only here and

bluntly donald trump is not a leader. he is a marketer. not only marketing racial grievance, he is marketing the worst demons of this nation. and they run deep. so what is at stake here is a spiritual battle. >> i can hear my pastor the late dr. william jones talk about kairos time as you said. often made the difference. we talked a lot about trump's version of faith. i would like to know how you feel about biden's version of religiosity. he is practicing as a catholic. he goes to church every week, but he's more low-key about discussing his beliefs. do you think those qualities can connect with many americans who are looking for a moral leader? >> he is -- you and i know he is a devout person of faith. he is a catholic.

he takes his faith very seriously. what i'm worried about, reverend, is the conversation gets all political, and trump uses religion to politicize it. i would love to have in this electoral season a serious conversation about faith. i would like president biden to say even more about what he means by his faith and how he applies his faith to issues of policy. it's not about not bringing our faith in. it's about bringing it in, but is in fact a word that could change us and transform us. i would love to see joe biden talk more about his faith in this electoral campaign. we are not trying to proselytize. we are trying to bring our moral values, and i believe in the separation of church and state, but not the segregation of moral values from public life.

i think joe biden could do it even stronger and more. and i think donald trump must be held accountable for his preaching of false religion, false faith. and i think -- i want to be blunt here, white pastors need to stand up and call trump's religion idolatry and heresy, because that's what it is. >> all right. jim wallace. thank you, thank you for bringing the book on politics nation. coming up, the social phenomena of cancel culture has taken over our feeds from facebook to instagram. our next gas has taken a closer look at why, and it joins me next to explain. explain.

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welcome back the politics nation. tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern, msnbc films is presenting canceled. the story of cancel culture. the latest installment of the turning point documentary series from executive producer trevor noah. here is a sneak peek. take a look. >> when people talk about canceling cancel culture, i don't hear a clear, understood or shared meaning. >> you want to punish them, silence them and disappear

them. >> when yesterday's words become today's consequences. >> better not say what i'm actually thinking because then i will definitely be canceled. >> suddenly getting attacked by my community. >> canceled, the story of cancel culture. sunday, april 7th at 9:00 p.m. joining me now is janet jackson, producer of canceled. thank you for joining me today, kiana. what made you decide to do a documentary about cancel culture? >> really i think it was the result of a lot of conversations and trying to understand just kind of this huge phenomenon that's been going on in our culture. as we discover in the dark for a long time. it has become somewhat of a hot button issue over the last few years >> it contains several scenes

confronting our knowledge and racism in their own work. let's look at comedian sarah silverman. >> rip the band-aid off right now and say it. i did an episode where were blackface. the context was well irrelevant because it's not okay to do blackface ever. i played an ignorant woman in a liberal bubble who thought she was eliminating racism by wearing black face. what i didn't realize was that in reality i was an ignorant woman in a liberal bubble who thought i was eliminating racism by wearing black face. >> how can -- talking about our biases actually help address this in a constructive way? >> i think that it not only allows us to examine our history and where we've gotten it wrong. two, you know, prevent these things from happening again, but it also allows for people who maybe have not had the

opportunity to examine the ways in which they could learn and grow to think about things in a different way when they see other people who are confronting and potentially got it wrong in the past. >> for celebrities getting canceled it can mean being pushed out of public life. for people who are less well known, saying the wrong thing might lead to a flood of unwanted attention something called dachshund. can you explain what that means and what role it played in cancel culture? >> i know that it's making public information known about someone says people can reach them or know where they are in real life. the film does not go into this. as a concept or an idea. i think it is really just a matter of understanding how public figures deal with the idea of cancel culture while also understanding that it does

happen to people who we might consider everyday people like me or somebody else walking down the street and how they've been impacted by this phenomenon, but in the same lines as these people who are celebrity are in the public eye. and kind of understanding that we do not have the same way of dealing with things. i think we have to take a nuanced approach. >> it not only looks at cancel culture itself but also how people have responded to it. you explore how commentators on the right have incited a moral panic over getting canceled. at the same time, seem to be creating their own form of it, targeting views and behavior that they don't like. talk a little more about that. >> right. i think that is something that we have all kind of experience.

it's a bit of a whiplash between, it's been canceled but at the same time, calling for the cancellation of thoughts and idea. we've seen it happen not only in this election cycle but for many years. that was something that was kind of concerning for not just us as a filmmaking team but a lot of folks that we also spoke with. it creates confusion. when you are trying to talk about something and trying to understand an issue and really dig into how we are all impacted by something, it is hard when there has been this kind of muddying up the waters in terms of what you're talking about. i think we wanted to call attention to the hypocrisy in a lot of ways so that we might identify it and hopefully move forward from it. >> i don't want to spoil the conclusions of your documentary

too much, but having researched cancel culture as thoroughly as you have, has it been a source of positive change for culture or has it further devalued us? >> that's interesting. it's an interesting question. i really do believe that with most movements, with most social change that happens, it's a matter of a pendulum swinging. right? for a long time, people didn't have platforms or have a way to express safely how they feel about things. how they've been impacted by certain jokes in mass media, policies even. now that we do have this platform and it is more democratized in that way, people are speaking up. while it may feel that we are existing in a very extreme space, it's a reaction to not having that for so long. i think it will start to even

out. i can't say whether cancel culture is good or bad. it's much more nuanced than that. but i do think it has been an important development. >> kiana jackson, thank you for joining me today. you can watch canceled, the story of cancel culture, tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. stay tuned for my final thoughts. stay with us. us. hi. i use febreze fade defy plug. and i use this. febreze has a microchip to control scent release so it smells first-day fresh for 50 days. 50 days!?

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